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—– Original Message —–
From: ganeshan
To: khart
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Mesopotamia to Madura
To
George L. Hart
Professor Of Tamil
Chair in Tamil Studies
University of California
Berkeley
Dear Sir,
Mesopotamia to Madura
Thank you for your research on Tamil Language, and discovered it as
the oldest and classical language. I firmly believe that The Tamil
Language is built on Dualism. Any dualistic language would take many
thousands of years to develop. At least 10000 years.
The historical evidence shows that the Tamil Dravidians were living
only for about 5000 years in India. This is not correct. So I believe
we should find out where these people lived before this time.
I firmly believe that they should be linked to the Sumerians. They had
all the knowledge to build this Language. I would be grateful if you
could kindly research and write about this ancient race, which had
connections with the Sumerians.
We may call the topic “Mesopotamia to Madura”.
At the beginning, all roads lead to Sumer. The Sumerians were a
non-Semitic people, generally short and stocky, with high, straight
noses and downward sloping eyes. As you know this characteristic does
fit well to the Dravidian Tamils in South India.
Many wore beards, but some were clean-shaven, with a clean-shaven
upper lip, but a beard around the chin.
The women draped the garment from the left shoulder (a saree like),
while the men bound it at their waists (a versti like) and left the
upper half of their body bare. As you know this characteristic also
fits well to the Dravidian Tamils in South India. Even now some
village people wear like this.
Later on, the male clothing moved up towards the neck, at least among
the upper class. Slaves, from beginning to end, both male and female,
went about naked from the waist up.
On their heads, the Sumerians wore a cap; on their feet, they wore
sandals; wealthy women sometimes wore shoes of soft leather, lacking
heels, laced up.
They wore bracelets, necklaces, anklets, finger rings, ear rings and
nose rings.
When the civilization of Sumer was already a thousand years old,
around 2300 BC, we find written accounts of creation, a primitive
paradise, and a flood that destroyed the world.
In puranas and in Tholkappiam there is reference to this flooding.
Tholkappiam says 800-kavadam that is equal to 1000-miles went under
water.
Now we understand the Jewish people are claiming to be the descendents
of this advanced dark skinned, Sumerian race, but to my understanding
they do not fit the picture. As we can see that the Jewish people are
tall and faire.
The Sumerians spoke a language unrelated to other known tongues, built
on dualism. They may have come to southern Mesopotamia from Persia.
A priest organized work groups of farmers to lease the land and
provide barley, beans and rice, for the community.Still exists in
South India.
These early cities, which existed by 3500 BC, were called temple towns
because they were built around the temples.These Temple Towns many of
them still exists in South of India.
The temples were eventually built up on towers, which had ramps or
staircases winding up around the exterior.
Marketplaces were built around these Temples For example At Madurai
Meenkshi, Temple in South India we can see the market around the
temple complex.
The temple towns grew into cities. This city-state was the most
governable type of human settlement. City-states called the “panjaat”
ruled by leaders. The food surplus provided by the farmers supported
these leaders, priests, artists, craftsmen, and others.
The Sumerians developed metalworking, wheeled carts, and potter’s
wheels. They have invented the first form of writing. They engraved
pictures on clay tablets in a form of writing known as cuneiform
(wedge-shaped). The tablets were used to keep the accounts of the
temple food storehouses. One can see these dilapidated buildings near
Thiruvanannamalai temple.
About 2500 BC these picture-signs were being refined into an alphabet.
The Sumerians developed the first calendar, which they adjusted to the
phases of the moon. The lunar calendar was adopted by the Egyptians,
and Greeks.
In Sumerian religion, the most important gods were seen as human forms
of nature. These gods were worshiped not only in the temples but also
in small shrines in family homes. These are evident even today in
South of India.
Sumeria became a more unified state, with a common culture and a
centralized government. This led to the establishment of a bureaucracy
and an army. By 2375 BC, most of Sumer was united under one king.
Thank you
Yours faithfully
N. SIVA GANESHAN
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:50:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Genographic evidence M130C
From: amalasingh@gmail.com
To: pitchappanrm@yahoo.co.uk
CC: ganeshan@live.co.uk; Tolkaappiyar@yahoogroups.com
Dear sir,
Thank you very much for your response. Let me introduce myself.
I am from a village called Parthibanur, near Paramakudi, Ramnad Dt.
I did my BSc Maths in Arul Anandar College, Karumathur, near your university.
Between 1993-1996. Then did my Masters degree in Computers applications in
Trichy.
I have been in UK, working as a Computer Software guy for more than 10 years.
Mr.Ganeshan CCed here basically from Tamil Eezham, resides in UK. He is also
a mathematician and philosopher. Somehow he was triggered by the books by
Samuel Kramer, especially the one ‘History begins with Ur’.
Basically I was influenced with Dr.Loganathan from Malaysia, a pshychiatric doctor and Shaiva philosopher with the following
email group.
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/
(Please join this group for further conversations and studies regarding Sumero-
Tamil connectivity and other Indian aspects).
Dr.Loga, Who deciphers sumerian texts from various books written by many scholars into Tamil for nearly more than 30 years.
After seeing his articles around 5 years ago, I did some reading sumerian books
and found that lot of similarities and correspondences that exist between Sumerian and Tamil.
So, merely only three people now in the whole world who consider, that
We Tamils are direct descendants of Sumerians full stop
You may be knowing that Sumerian scholars who deciphered originally,
Dr. Kramer and so on, who consider that Sumerian is a completely isolated language and no correspondence with any other languages in the world.
And I think any Tamil who read Samuel Kramer’s books on Sumerians,
would realize the similarities of the texts there with Tamil.
Eg. En, nin, an, aba, ama, Ur and so on.
When reading these basic words of Sumerians no Tamil can easily reject
the astonishing fact that Tamil language has been constructed with these
basic components.
Eg. Ur was Sumerian city. My village is, Parthibanur . ‘ur’ suffix.
And we know that how ‘Oor’ the word is a part and parcel of Tamil culture.
This is one thing.
Then I have been reading Sumerian texts available online, luckily the scholars
who are convinced that Sumerian is an isolated language, have dared to put
Sumerian language texts deciphered online in online libraries such as
etcsl library online. This has tremendously helped my studies who
have made a tremendous collection of sumero-Tamil connection.
I will give you one example:
A tigi to Nanaya for Išbi-Erra (Išbi-Erra C)
நாணய்யாவிற்கு தொகை – இசுபி-எர்ரா கேட்டதற்காக
nin me nun-na ud-gin7 dalla e3 hi-li zid-da ul-še3 pad3-da
na-na-a me-te e2-an-ka in-nin-ra tum2-ma
gal-zu nu-u8-gig-ge nin kur-kur-ra zid-de3-eš-še3 pad3-da
na-na-a kalam e2-an-ka igi-gal2 šum2-mu ba-e-zu
bar-sud-am3
நின் மெய் நுண்-ண ஊடு-கின் தாழ எ ஹி-லி சித்த உள்-சே பட்ட
நாணய்யா மெ/மே-தே இ-அண்ணா-க இன்-நின்-ற தும்மா
கள்-ஞு நூ-வு-கி-கே நிண் குற்-குற்-ற சித்தே- ஈசே பட்ட
நாணய்யா களம் இ-அண்ணா-க இகி ஞால் சும்மு பாய்ச்சு
பரிசுத்தம்
Lady of the princely powers, emerging brilliantly like the daylight,
Nanaya, ornament of E-ana, worthy of the Lady!
Wise one, correctly chosen as lady of all the lands by the Mistress: Nanaya, you instruct the Land, bestowing wisdom in E-ana.
5. Barsud.
Tell me a Tamil guy after reading these above Sumerian texts which are crystal
clear Tamil text would reject this.
Then, not just linguistics, the question of idea of how these entire civilizations formed.
In one of your interviews you have said, ‘Religions are only 3000 years old’.
What do we mean by that? I would disagree that number any way.
Sumerian religious and philosophical ideas such as Inanna and
so on are more than 5000 years.
Then if you take Virumandi’s case, you are looking for a remote village
to get that specific unadulterated gene. Why dont you organize an
archeological study to determine the age of that village? That
will determine when did Virumandi’s ancestor’s settled there.
Even if they settled there very early times such as more than
5000 years ago, how did they very remote people got the
Tamil language and culture without intermixing with others.
This might be puzzling but we have some sort of answer.
Let us come to Tamil society/Dravidian society, and
we have our unique caste system. Though political ideas
distorted this caste system as Northen Ariyan idea,
the northern caste system of only 4 divisions, while we
have our caste system based on their special skills.
Those who are well versed with farming are Vellalas,
those who are skilled in pottery are Chakkiliyas,
those who are skilled in war are maravars,
those who are skilled in music are parayars and so on.
What does it show to you? Is it not a part of a society
with professions? Special skills? Now these Piranmalai
Kallar, which Virumandi based on, how did they get their
caste tag attached to them without being part of a society
as a whole?
Gene appearance and disappearance may not be just the case
of cultural remoteness, it could be a case of remoteness
within cultural discrimination or cultural appreciation, so
certain genes are carried forward forever in smaller group
of people within a society.
So the idea of those special genes such as M130 carried forward
distinctly in villages such as Jothymanickam for more than 5000 years
could have been incorrect. Rather the dravidian civilization which had
moved as a bundle might have also been carrying forward the special genes
randomly.
Now coming to point of religion, culture, language and so on.
Can tribal people living remotely with less than 500 people form
a civilization with rich culture, language, agriculture and so on
with no inter mixture with others through trade and so on?
The answer is a BIG ‘NO’.
Civilization requires a special eco system that helps the society
formation. Only ‘Ur’ of Mesopotamia has got that special ingredients
of a civilization such as a river, a river bed that seasonally becomes
wet and fertile to trigger the agriculture. Water still a scarce commodity
around and only available seasonally to trigger the minds to
promote the farming abilities. Then availability of the clay
to promote pottery, also to develop recording through clay
tablets of their abundance in agriculture.
Only Tamils knew
‘Neerindri amaiyaathu ulagenin’ – Water is the scarce commodity.
Only Tamils aware
‘Uzhave thalai’ – Farming is the prime profession(Now it is computer software -:))
Only the people of ‘Ur’ who did industrial farming first time ever, though
their ancestors did farming in somewhere else in the middle east, like Jordan
and so on, but only here in ‘Ur’ they did hardcore farming. Only they did get the
idea of ‘Uzhave thalai’.
So, with industrial farming and no accounting of it, what will happen? Chaos.
So did they record their produce, wages, work hours etc. Distributed their
wages to the labour better way paving the way of equality. So the beginning
of Mathematics. Mathematics is nothing but accounting nothing but recording.
Accounting and mathematics that led to writing system. Writing system
that paved the way for what? A language of stability with vocabularies of
mathematics, accounting, rituals, kingship, poetry, astronomy and so on, led to
explosion of civilization.
That is how we are here. We are NOT the tribes who came here 60,000 years
ago. We are the people of ancestory of middle east of 10,000 years ago.
These people could have been moving in and around Asia before that.
But Tamils only must have moved out of ‘Ur’ around 2000 BC. A genographic
study on that basis should prove this and disprove Kumari Kandam ideocy.
Kumari Kandam can never invent a brick or agriculture or a writing system.
It is a horrific idea that has screwed up many heads of today.
On 18 October 2011 06:34, ramasamy pitchappan wrote:
> Dear Amala Singh,
>
> Thank you for your mail and your interest. I would like to know more of
> your studies on Sumerian: what was the design and how you studied.
>
> Yes: we have sampled whole of India under our Genographic project: Our Tamil
> Nadu paper is ready for publicatiojn. Once we collate all our Indian dta
> sets and compare with ME etc., we may answer the question you raised. Pl.
> give me your full address and identity for me to keep tract of your studies
> and correspond with you.
>
> Have a look at http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic and also watch the
> Vijay TV programme in LYouTube ‘pitchappan nadanthathu enna’ : Mr. Virumandi
> has loaded it.
>
> with best wishes
>
> pitchappan
>
>
>
> Prof. RM. Pitchappan
> Director-Research, Chettinad University
> Chettinad Health City, Rajiv Gandhi Salai, Kelampakkam, (Chennai) – 603 103
> M: (+91) 9710401000, : +(0) 44 4742 9040; F: (0) 44 4741 1011
> http://www.chettinadhealthcity.com,;
> pitchappanrm@yahoo.co.uk; pitchappanrm@chettinadhealthcity.com
> Regional Director, The Genographic India
> School of Biological Sciences, Madurai Kamaraj University , Madurai, 625021
> India
> M:9443066798; Tel Off & Fax: (0)452 245 8418; R: 256 9889;
> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
>
>
>
>
> From: Amala Singh
> To: pitchappanrm@yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: Nathan Sivaganeshan
> Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011, 1:34
> Subject: Re: Genographic evidence M130C
>
> Sorry I missed out the video
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJaVwTxUeo&feature=share
>
> On 16 October 2011 14:11, Amala Singh wrote:
>> Sir,
>>
>> I was watching this tought provoking Vijay TV video on Genographic
>> evidence on human migration from
>> Africa to everywhere in the world.
>>
>> Quite contrary to Tamil beliefs of Kumari Kandam idiocy.
>>
>> Sir, I have been doing some research on Sumerian – Tamil relationship
>> and found some astonishing
>> discoveries that Tamil language have close relationship with Sumerian.
>>
>> But unfortunately there is less scope for studies of this kind from
>> scholars so we are unable to progress on it.
>>
>> Sir,
>>
>> Is there a genographic study on various dravidian groups and their
>> migration track. Is there a possibility to
>> establish connection between various dravidian groups from middle
>> eastern origin for nearly 5000 years?
>>
>>
>>
>> –
>> –
>> Nandri(Thanks in Tamil),
>> Amala Singh
>>
>
>
>
> –
> –
> Nandri(Thanks in Tamil),
> Amala Singh
>
>
>
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Nandri(Thanks in Tamil),
Amala Sing
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